LIVE: Legal Battle Begins – Eden v. Langford


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What We Know So Far

Courts

Langford’s Legal Trouble

Analysis

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Patrick Renwick

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WHAT WE KNOW SO FAR

Dallin Langford may be sued by Horatio Eden for unfair revocation of citizenship, themicronational understands.

Horatio Eden of Whestcorea threatened Langford with civil action after he claimed his citizenship was unfairly revoked.

Langford responded, saying that Eden could not sue him as he no longer a DRCC citizen.

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Langford claims citizenship was revoked as he says Eden threatened to leak confidential information, violating an Assembly gag order. What this information was is as of yet unclear.

While this information was not published previously, Eden has said that he now intends to publish it.

Langford has also accused Eden of being a spy for Universal Triumvirate. Eden responded:

…if I were a spy, why would I even bother trying to help you with the UT v Langford case? I certainly won’t make that mistake again.

In any case, now that you’ve decided I’m a spy for the UT, you can forget coming to me for help next time.

Nick Frederiksson of Førvania then offered the Førvanian courts as a venue for the case, but then admitted this as was a mistake, saying that this would breach his duty of care to Langford, and could potentially be ‘immoral’ and corrupt.

The Mcarthian Courts have been offered by Kit McCarthy as a possible venue.

Eden will have a problem finding a court. Langford will probably reject the case being held in the DRCC, and anyhow, as Eden is no longer a citizen he wouldn’t be able to take it to the DRCC court. Other nations of which both Langford and Eden are citizens of could volunteer to hold it, but there’s not guarantee that either side would respect the ruling.

An alternative would be an international court, but finding a judge and getting both sides to respect the court’s decision could prove difficult.

However, an international court is starting to seem likely. Kit McCarthy today founded the Intermicronational Civil and Criminal Court (ICCC), an unstructured venue for intermicronational cases.

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It is possible the case will be heard there. Stephen Hill, a micronationalist with a legal background, has offered his services as a judge, and Langford does not seem immediately opposed to the idea of an intermicronational hearing.

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Some have said, including Kit McCarthy, Horatio Eden and James Frisch, that Langford has a history of dishonesty, beginning with events such as the KUR, and then with the issues of Emma Amtra and the Universal Triumvirate espionage case.

Eden has also released a post on Skype in which Langford claims to have spies within the NRNA, and voiced suspicions that all DRCC citizens are fake. Langford said to Eden:

…the XFIA had agents in the NRNA, after two months of it going on the MicroWiki Forum.

This is a view that have been supported by quite a few, including Kit McCarthy.  McCarthy said:

Look at the two other candidates for the General-Secretary post in the DRCC. Henry Chester and Bella Topgrove. Both generic, Anglo-Saxon names, very similar to the likes of the KUR’s Steve Strong and Emma Carpenter.

No, I can’t prove it, but it seems possible that we may not have been told everything about the DRCC.

If true, this would bode poorly for the DRCC and Langford, as a very similar thing happened last year when Langford admitted the Kid United Republic to be fake. However, if the DRCC is also partially fictional, then many may feel frustrated with the nation.

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However, some have expressed their lack of concern. James Frisch of Beacon City said, in response to the emails sent by the character known as the Anonymous Micronationalist:

Dallin has a history of dishonesty. He’s kind of an easy target to accuse of lying anyway. The thing is, DRCC isn’t being outrageous in its claims, so I don’t really care if it’s a lie.

Also, one of the accusations is that Dallin is making up his own name. Literally like half of the community does that anyway.

The Anonymous Micronationalist (who has been widely mocked by the MicroWiki community) has also cited Langford as dishonest.

Both Eden and McCarthy have expressed regret over the fact that this case has happened, given the legal help they have given Mr Langford recently.

Scroll down for analysis, interviews, responses, liveblog, and further links.


ANALYSIS | Kit McCarthy

Dallin Langford is in trouble, and not for the first time. What’s quite interesting about this case is the way the community seems to have sided against Langford, while reasons actually remain somewhat unclear.

Initially, it could be claimed that Eden was the guilty party, for threatening to leak confidential information. However, as the case has progressed, things have changed.

Langford is now in trouble because of a supposed unconstitutional act: revoking Eden’s citizenship, breaching due process.

However, this could be up for debate. If Eden had threatened to leak information, does that give the DRCC reasonable grounds? If it does, then the tables have turned again.

This is of course why Eden is trying to get this into a court, and Langford should be keen to see it go to court too.


INTERVIEWS | With Kit McCarthy

Nick Frederiksson | Førvania

KM: Whose side are you on, and why?

NF: I’d probably have to go with Mr Eden on this issue. Dallin has made several morally questionable decisions in his time as a micronationalist, and Eden has produced some evidence Dallin could just be doing this for personal gain.

KM: How serious is the case for him? What effect would a ruling against Langford have on the DRCC?

NF: Dallin seems to be quite committed to micronationalism, so I doubt there would be much of an effect on the DRCC.

KM: But surely having been involved in similar cases before must count against him?

NF: Dallin appears to be doing the same thing over and over, so what’s there to say he’ll change this time?

KM: Thank you.

Patrick Renwick  | Paravia

KM: What is your opinion on the likely outcome of this case?

PR: For one, I certainly do not think this will end well for Langford. Him just suddenly revoking Horatio Eden’s citizenship is highly suspicious. Also, Langford’s earlier controversies will not help him.

KM: How serious is the case for him? What effect would a ruling against Langford have on the DRCC?

PR: Well, it would of course result in a serious loss of credibility for the DRCC and Mr. Langford. It might also cause various micronations to break diplomatic relations, though this is of course not guaranteed.

KM: What will the Paravian response be, do you think?

PR: Although I can not be sure, I believe there is a high likelihood that the Imperial Council will call for his titles to be revoked, as they did during the Universal Triumvirate case only a month ago.

KM: What next, do you think?

PR: I do not really know, as this could go either way really.

KM: Thank you.


REACTIONS

Dallin Langford | DRCC

In response to Horatio Eden: ‘You are no longer a citizen, therefore you can’t sue DRCC.’

Horatio Eden | Whestcorea

‘In any case, for a while now I have suspected that there are no citizens in the DRCC other than Dallin himself, which means that, when he told me I was under investigation, Dallin had suddenly arbitrarily decided I was no longer worthy of his trust, which is nice considering the number of times Kit and I have helped him out whenever he gets sued by people, which is often, because he keeps spying on people, a fact he seems to have neatly padded over.’

‘And another thing. You said that I can’t sue you because I’m not a citizen of the DRCC, but that’s complete b****** because you were willing to let Buchanan sue in the Court of Appeals.

You make up your judicial system arbitrarily to suit your own ends, and voluntarily stomp all over your own constitution in order to create a system of events in which you can assassinate my character.’

Kit McCarthy | Mcarthia

‘Anyway, I would like to publicly declare that I support Harius [Horatio] over this, and as we have worked on legal cases before, I would like to potentially offer myself as either an attorney for the plaintiff, or indeed as a judge.

The Mcarthian legal system and government is also willing to assist Mr Eden, to what extent it can.’

In response to Langford claiming justification: ‘If you didn’t want the information leaked, it was your responsibility to keep it secret. Unless you made us sign a NDA or similar, which you didn’t, how were either of us to know you didn’t want it publicised? It feels to me as though this is your own fault.’

Patrick Renwick  | Paravia

‘Oh god, what is this… Sigh… I will have to side with Harius on this one.’

‘Dallin, this could and probably will end badly for you. Remember, a number of members of the imperial council wanted me to revoke your titles during the UT affair… More controversies from you will probably not help.’

‘I will probably write a news article about this later, after I have gotten the response from the council, whom I am going to meet later today.’

Nick Frederiksson | Førvania

‘Were I in Dallin’s shoes, I’d probably just leave micronationalism.’

Thomas Merrell | Zenrax

‘I do have a vested interest if other nations turn against the DRCC. Existing treaties call for mutual cooperation. As such, Zenrax will not uphold any judgment that would bring harm to an ally.

Such a thing would constitute a serious breach of honor and protocol. In addition, our reputation could irreparably suffer if we blatantly violate a treaty such as this one.’

Universal Triumvirate

‘This affair, in the eyes of our Major Executive and government in general, seems like a ploy with no basis in reality to unfairly deprive the Edens of their citizenship in a sovereign nation.

That being said, the Triumvirate wholeheartedly believes that Dallin Langford will make the right decision and choose to settle this case instead of dragging it out for months. Should the Plaintiff want, the Triumvirate’s Chief Attorney Buchanan will help with the case and devote appropriate resources.’

Humanytaria

‘The Humanytarian Government is not in a position or state of authority to side with either party.

Affairs independent to Humanytaria are to be disassociated with the government and presidential office however an individual may hold a conclusion [sic] to the subject.’


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16.42 – Noland has released a brief statement.

14.52 – Humanytaria has released a statement disassociating itself from the affair, siding with neither Eden or Langford.

14.40 – Universal Triumvirate has released a statement, calling the DRCC’s actions ‘unfair,’ ‘with no basis in reality.’

14.07 – Kit McCarthy has announced the Intermicronational Civil and Criminal Court, saying there is a possibility the case will be heard in it.

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13.30Thomas Merrell: ‘I do have a vested interest if other nations turn against the DRCC. Existing treaties call for mutual cooperation. As such, Zenrax will not uphold any judgment that would bring harm to an ally.

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Such a thing would constitute a serious breach of honor and protocol. In addition, our reputation could irreparably suffer if we blatantly violate a treaty such as this one.’

13.27 – Richard Hytholoday: ‘I’d be willing to assist in an international hearing.’

12.38 – Dallin Langford has been temporarily removed from the Mcarthian Special Guard, pending further investigation. This is the second time this has happened, the first being related to the universal Triumvirate espionage case.

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11.37 – Renwick: potential ‘serious loss of credibility for the DRCC and Mr. Langford.’

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Patrick Renwick of Paravia

11.24 – Kit McCarthy has proposed a single-use international court, and James Frisch has proposed diplomatic sanctions of the DRCC if they refuse to let the case continue.

10.40 Analysis: Dallin Langford is in trouble, and not for the first time. What’s quite interesting about this case is the way the community seems to have sided against Langford, while reasons actually remain somewhat unclear.

Initially, it could be claimed that Eden was the guilty party, for threatening to leak confidential information. However, as the case has progressed, things have changed.

Langford is now in trouble because of a supposed unconstitutional act: revoking Eden’s citizenship, breaching due process.

However, this could be up for debate. If Eden had threatened to leak information, does that give the DRCC reasonable grounds? If it does, then the tables have turned again.

This is of course why Eden is trying to get this into a court, and Langford should be keen to see it go to court too.

10.33 – Patrick Renwick will be meeting the Paravian Council later today to discuss the case. Renwick suspects the Council will call for Langford’s Paravian titles to be revoked.

10.22 – Nick Frederiksson: ‘Were I in Dallin’s shoes, I’d probably just leave micronationalism.’

10.13 – We are beginning a ‘responses’ section. National or personal responses will be noted here. We so far have noted Langford’s, Eden’s, McCarthy’s, and Patrick Renwick’s responses.

09.44 – Hello, and welcome to themicronational’s live coverage of the Eden v. Langford case. My name is Kit McCarthy, and I am the editor of themicronational. I will be updating this blog regularly. Make sure to keep refreshing your page.


Further Links

Frederiksson Media – Possible corruption emerges as Eden prepares to sue Langford

Frederiksson Media – Nicholai Fredriksson’s press conference on the Eden-Langford issue

Ganstijden – On the case of Eden and Langford


CONTENTS

Latest Update and Top of Page

What We Know So Far

Courts

Langford’s Legal Trouble

Analysis

Interviews

Nick Fredriksson

Patrick Renwick

Reactions

Liveblog

Further Links

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